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Ellen White’s Burial

November 12, 2006

The anti-Ellen White site http://www.ellenwhite.org/ has a post titled “The White Obelisk” which goes to some length to show that the grave marker (pictured above) on the grave of Ellen and James White is a satanic symbol. I’m not going to bother commenting about that issue, suffice to say that while it may be “quite unsettling” for the site’s authors “that a symbol of the Egyptian Sun god appears on the burial site of James and Ellen White”, it doesn’t worry me in the slightest.However, in the first footnote to that page, the authors make the following statement:

Mrs. White’s funeral was on July 24, 1915, the same date that the photograph was taken. However, according to the White Estate, she was not interred until 33 days later. On March 22, 1999, William Fagal of the Ellen G. White Estate Branch Office at Andrews University, emailed D. Fischer: “Her funeral took place on Sabbath, July 24, 1915. She was not actually interred, however, until Thursday, August 26.”

This claim intrigues me.

The Events Surrounding White’s Death & Burial:
On March 3, 1915, White had her last vision. Her words focussed on the young people of the church: “I do not expect to live long. My work is nearly done. Tell our young people that I want my words to encourage them in that manner of life that will be most attractive to the heavenly intelligences, and that their influence upon others may be most enobling.”
At 3.40pm on July 16, 1915 she passed away. Her son, Willie White later described the experience: “It was like the burning out of a candle, so quiet.”

A funeral service was held at her home: Elmshaven in California on July 18.
White’s body then travelled by train to Richmond where a camp-meeting was taking place, and a second service held.

Again travelling by train, White’s body was taken to Battle Creek, Michigan, where, on Sabbath morning, July 24, White lay in state in the Battle Creek Tabernacle for two hours from eight til ten. About 2,000 people filed past as an honour guard of six ministers alternated in pairs every twenty minutes and stood, one at the head of the casket and one at the foot.

White’s third and final funeral service was held in the Battle Creek Tabernacle on July 24 with about 4,500 people in attendance–1,000 more than Battle Creek Tabernacle could hold.

Following the Tabernacle service White’s body was buried next to her husband James in Oak Hill cemetery.

There seems to be no evidence to support the suggestion that White’s interment (burial) took place other than on the same day as her funeral. Furthermore, there seems to be no reason for such a situation to occur.

Questions:

  1. Does this email from William Fagel actually exist? (If it does not, will the authors of the ellenwhite.org site remove the offending staement?–Or offer alternative evidence to support their claim?)
  2. If it does, was Fagel correct in his statement that White was not actually “interred” until August 26?
  3. If White’s interment did not actually take place until August 26, what were the reasons?
  4. Finally, while I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories, (assuming the above is true) has the Ellen White Estate engaged in some sort of cover-up about the events surrounding the burial of Ellen White?
  5. References:
    Herbert E. Douglass, Messenger of the Lord, Boise: Pacific Press, 1998.

    Arthur L. White, Ellen G. White: The Later Elmshaven Years 1905-1915, Washington DC: Review and Herald, 1982.

40 comments

  1. This whole thing is really strange. I honestly don’t know what to say. It’s just weird.


  2. First of all, I’m surprised that they did her funeral on Sabbath – it seems a little Un-Ellen to me.

    Second, if they did not bury her on the day of her (third) funeral a reasonable explanation would seem to be as follows: it was Sabbath – no work (the burial of a heavy coffin) on Sabbath is allowed under the Adventist decree.


  3. An interesting thought Christine. There’s no doubt her funeral was on a Sabbath–in fact a number of the SDA Churches in the area cancelled their services so that members could attend the funeral.
    I’m not sure that your explanation is entirely satisfactory–the coffin was definitely transported to the gravesite (pics exist) on the 24th. I assume that the grave was already dug, therefore any “work” left would have involved simply filling in the hole–and this could easily have been left until after Sabbath if it was a concern.
    I’m not sure when the practice of not holding funerals on Sabbath entered the church–anyone have any ideas? Was Ellen White just a special case or were SDAs commonly buried on the Sabbath in the early 20thC?
    Thanks for dropping by & commenting.


  4. I am not surprised that Adventists in 1915 had no problem with a funeral on Sabbath. The idea that it is somehow wrong to hold a funeral on Sabbath is simply another example of so-called “historic Adventism” that is really a late invention, often the result of the incursions of Fundamentalsim on Adventist faith in the 1920s and 1930s.


  5. Thanks for the thought Monte. Interestingly, when I rechecked my Minister’s Manual I found no mention of abstaining from funerals on the Sabbath (nor weddings for that matter)–yet I’m sure I’ve read guidelines somewhere. Perhaps my browse was too quick?
    It would be interesting to explore this a little further–exactly when did this practice cease (or at the very least became less common, it is still practiced sometimes ie see the tragic story here.) A quick websearch led me to the West Indian Union Visitor (first quarter, 2006) which contains an article on Sabbath funerals on p13 (in the magazine, p12 in the .pdf) here which points out that:

    “Generally speaking, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has refrained from Sabbath funeral services, given the activities associated with the same and the need to engage persons in some physical activities such as the interment of the body of the deceased. However, since the funeral service itself is a religious one, it is not in violation of the Sabbath. According to Guidelines for Sabbath Observance,” the Biblical Research Institute states that when it is necessary to conduct funerals on the Sabbath, “arrangements should be made in advance with morticians and cemetery employees to perform their routine tasks for the deceased in advance of the Sabbath day, thus reducing the labor and commotion on the Sabbath. In some instances a memorial service could be held on the Sabbath, and interment takes place later.”

    The article also reminded me that James White’s funeral also occurred on a Sabbath. A coincidence or planning to maximize attendence?
    There is a page on the Korean Ellen G. White Research Centre: which has a copy of a letter (in English) from Arthur L. White to a pastor in the Netherlands who was making inquiries on the subject. It points out that:

    Several weeks ago we received from you an inquiry concerning Sister White’s attitude toward funerals on the Sabbath, and the fact that Elder James White’s funeral was held on the Sabbath and that her funeral was held on the Sabbath. You tell us that a knowledge of these facts has led to some concern among some of our believers there in the Netherlands. I am sorry to learn this. I think that this is a matter which our believers will have to study from the standpoint of principles involved. A funeral is a service of the church, and it has never been considered by Seventh-day Adventists to be out of place to conduct such a service on the sabbath day.
    It is only in recent years that funerals have become such involved affairs, calling for many lines of activity and business contacts. It is under these circumstances that the church has been counseling that it is advisable to hold a funeral on some other day than the Sabbath.

    Apologies for the length, this comment has taken on a life of its own!


  6. Several years ago (very early on in my ministry)when I first “discovered” that James White was buried on a Sabbath afternoon, and that there were hundreds of people in attendance, I was more relieved than surprised. I was considered “liberal” by some because I had encouraged members of my congregation to attend a family funeral held on a Sabbath morning by “non-SDA” relatives. When I read about James White’s Sabbath funeral, I thought perhaps our pioneers were “liberal” too!

    Perhaps we get so uptight about the “no work” on the Sabbath, that we also forget about “weeping with those who weep”?


  7. Hobbes, Check out my post about Ellen White’s funeral on my blog. I appreciate your pointing this out.


  8. Thanks for the info Michael–of course the big question is why was this done? It’s hard to believe there’s no written records on the issue. My question too–since the contemporary newspapers etc clearly refer to her burial on that day–was this non-burial carried out secretly? If so why? Was it really feared that her body would be dug up? What was done with the body in the mean-time?
    Michael’s post on the issue is at:
    http://adventisthistorian.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/the_burial_of_e.html


  9. I think that you raise interesting questions but that it will be impossible to know unless new primary sources surface. It is unfortunate that the cemetery nor the White Estate have any additional records and that those involved are not around to ask (alas the wonderful reason why I believe oral history is important). It is also important to recognize that there are two primary sources that are contradicting one another: one is published, the second unpublished. It seems plausible that perhaps her casket was lowered in the grave but for some unknown reason the burial was postponed. It does seem mysterious. I suppose the lack of evidence can also be taken as “proof” for a secret burial later, but even the statement by Edson White seems to indicate that there were several other Adventists who showed up on the scene when she actually was interred and who joined them in looking on. The way this is stated suggests to me that this was likely not a secret gathering.


  10. Hello I have a book “The Desire of Ages” By Ellen G. White. Pacific Press Publishing Association Mountain View, California Omana, Nebraska. Copyright, 1898, by Pacific Press Publishing Company Entered at Stationer’s Hall, London Copyright, 1940, by Pacific Press Publishing Association all rights reserved and it’s stamped by Pacific Press Pub. Assn. printed in USA. Is this a collictable Book. Please email back with comments.


  11. Hi Lisa. In short, the answer is no. It’s not collectable & not worth any significant amount. There is a 1997 article by Merlin D. Bert, “Current Value and Rarity of SDA Materials” online at: http://www.asdal.org/action/fall97.html#SDA While it is 10 years old, it gives a very rough guide as to what is collectable and what is not. Basically unless it’s pre-1900 it’s not & not everything pre 1900 is collectable.


  12. These particular type of works need not be collected but but instead they should be read by as many people as possible.


  13. This is to verify that the http://www.ellenwhite.org website is very accurate in reporting my email message from William Fagal on March 22, 1999 as follows:

    “Her funeral took place on Sabbath, July 24, 1915. She was not actually interred, however, until Thursday, August 26. (How’s that for funeral trivia?) Yes, I know what you are wondering, but I don’t know why the interment was delayed so long.”

    I have the original email, from William Fagal, in my files. There has been speculation that the Adventist leaders were afraid that Dr. John Kellogg would exhume her body and perform some type of brain autopsy.

    Dennis Fischer, Director
    DENNIS FISCHER MINISTRIES
    “Online Chaplaincy and Mentoring Services”


  14. Hi Dennis, thanks for dropping by. Thanks for confirming that Fagel’s email is genuine. I’d encourage you to drop by Michael Campbell’s blog if you haven’t already done so. He continues a discussion of this topic there: http://adventisthistorian.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/the_burial_of_e.html


  15. In an email today from Elder William Fagal of the White Estate, he added some more information that may be of interest to many on this forum in regard to the interment of Ellen White:

    “The grave was open on that Sabbath afternoon when the casket was taken to the cemetery. I think there are eyewitness accounts that say it was lowered into the grave that afternoon and some dirt thrown in on it. But it was a Sabbath, and for that reason I would not be surprised if the grave was not actually closed at that time, but some dirt was symbolically thrown into the opening. There are cemetery records (I am told) to substantiate the holding of the casket in a vault until the date I gave you for the burial, and there are also written references to this in the White family…Yes, James White’s funeral also was on Sabbath, in the afternoon, and he was buried the same day.”

    Amazing information! The mourners at the graveside service were deceived into thinking Ellen White’s body was actually interred on the day of her third and final funeral. Earlier today I was interviewed on the TEST ALL THINGS radio program in the Greater Philadelphia area. The program’s primary focus was about Ellen White during this 15-minute radio interview. I answered probing questions about her plagiarism and also about things most people do not know about her.

    Dennis Fischer
    E-mail: dennisfischer@neb.rr.com


  16. There are a couple of early church founders that are buried under obilisks. Just the Loma Linda Univeristy digital archive…search with the word gravesites. It is pretty interesting. I wounder if there is a link with any of these people and Freemasonry?


  17. It would seem that there is no link between Freemasonry & an obelisk on a grave. According to the Association for Gravestone Studies (See, there’s an association for EVERYTHING!!):
    “The obelisk is, to quote McDowell and Meyer in The Revival Styles in American Memorial Art, one of the “most pervasive of all the revival forms” of cemetery art. There is hardly a cemetery founded in the 1840s and 50s without some form of Egyptian influence in the public buildings, gates, tomb art, etc. Napoleon’s 1798-99 Egyptian campaigns, the discoveries at the tombs of the Pharaohs, and our new Republic’s need to borrow the best of the ancient cultures (Greek revival, classic revival, the prominence of classical studies and dress, etc.) led to a resurgence of interest in the ancient Egyptian culture. Obelisks were considered to be tasteful, with pure uplifting lines, associated with ancient greatness, patriotic, able to be used in relatively small spaces, and, perhaps most importantly, obelisks were less costly than large and elaborate sculpted monuments. There were many cultural reasons for the revival styles of the nineteenth century. Freemasonry, while part of the overall cultural influence, was not responsible for the prevalence of obelisks. If you would like to read more about some of these styles, see The Egyptian Revival: Its Sources, Monuments and Meaning, 1808-1859, by Richard Carrott.” From: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Symbolism%20on%20Gravestones


  18. I feel as though, Ms. White was a woman of God. It makes no difference what day and time she was laid to rest in the ground. Understanding our bibles, would make it plain that the dead know not anything. Satan brings death, by our choice in the garden with adam, but God is the author if life. Lets think and read on Ms. Whites life and testimony, not when , where and why she was buried the way and when she was.


  19. With all respect, this type of thinking is what produces what is called a “coverup”. No matter how “nice” of a reason we come up with for not looking at the truth…it is still not looking at the truth. We should be informed why she was buried exactly 33 days after her death. As Kennedy said, secrets are repugnant. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the current adventist logo is a pyramid with an all seeing eye. Check it out yourself at http://www.adventist.org. I wonder why nobody cares?


  20. I see no pyramid in our logo, even though I regret the change of logo. I hope someday the obelisk be removed from the burial site of sister Ellen.


  21. I too have been curious about the grave marker on the White family plot since there has been so much in print concerning the significance of the obelisk in recent years. I read through the comments to see what I might find to explain it. I found it. While I don’t think Ellen White would have chosen it in the light of it’s connection with a pagan/occult civilization, perhaps that wasn’t focused on then, or perhaps she had nothing to do prior to her death in the selection of an obelisk grave marker? What I do know, however, is that God used the willingness of Ellen White to enlighten those living during her time until now, with His last days message that no other church past or present has given to our world. A precious message that is as sure as the one that Jesus gave before the destruction of Jerusalem. That those who saw the sign might escape the terrible conflagration. We too have been given the preview. “Watch”, Jesus said…Ellen White was a faithful watchman(woman) on the wall, always giving the trumpet a certain sound!! We have a great cloud of witnesses that have gone before us, Ellen White being one of those. Thank God, thank God! Having come out of Babylon myself, I will be eternally grateful for the truth that I have been given, and life that I may see these things, that are written in the Bible, that she expanded on, come to pass.


  22. The URL http://www.ellenwhite.org has changed its name to http://www.EllenWhiteExposed.com after protest from the EG White Estate which URL is http://www.whiteestate.org. Since this is another attack ministry aimed at the church, I would take anything from that source (www.EllenWhiteExposed.com) with a very big pinch of salt.


  23. I am a sda man from Switzerland, and I’m very sorry to see ellen white chose to put a satanic monument on her grave. And I’m very sorry too to see most of other sda members chose the way of hypocrisy and lying by claiming there is no problem with God to put a satanic monument on the grave of Ellen White, who was supposed to be a HOLY EMBASSADOR of our HOLY CREATOR.
    I must tell you the truth: Ellen White is a great lyer, and she’s a false prophetess, like the bad pharisees in the time of Jesus, and like the baal worshippers in the time of Elijah; but this is the church I know which is the less far from the truth , for all other churches I know are much more far from the truth, and they are under the control of great liers too.
    The only thing to do, is to organize with the help of our LORD JESUS a great reformation among all TRUE christians who are seeking the real truth, and thus we could obey God and flee from Babylon the satanic city and its lies and hypocrisy and its satanic monuments on their graves.
    BY THE GRACE OF GOD, IT WILL HAPPEN VERY SOON, FOR GOD AND HIS TRUE SERVANTS HATES LIES, AND LOVES THE TRUTH, FOREVER…


  24. Hello dear brothers and sisters in Christ.

    I do not deem it necessary to write long. I have arrived at one conclusion after many years of study and prayer.

    And the conclusion is this:

    A true student of the Holy Bible will be guided by the Holy Spirit to discern the false prophetess Ellen G. White.

    Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ God Almighty who obtained our reconciliation to
    God through the shedding of his blood.

    by Benjamin Lizarraga April 11, 2008 at 12:40am.


  25. you are all full of hypocrites. What did Ellen G. White do to you that you have to say all negative about her. Because of her, the modern science also proving that vegetarian diat, and other health lifestyle that she wrote is the best. Please read the truth and follow but don’t follow. Iam a doctor myslef and I proved that everything that Ellen G. White write about health is the best. In fact it is better the modern medicine. You are all jealous and you don’t have no light. Shame on you. What have you done to contribute to the world to save lives? Ellen G. white has saved alot of lives because of her writings. If you don’t believe her, just keep you sin to yourself but don’t tempt people to believe you. Who are you to talk like that. The God of heaven will judge you for you are against God’s prophet.


  26. Tear roll dowm even now when i go through.I will love her and follow the way of the great servant of Jesus.


  27. ellen white used the word ‘eye of providence’ in her writings. this word is masonic and doesnt refer to the Godhead. I loved ellen white but God is not coming for her disciples but true Christians who are the elect. KJV says the elect shall not be deceived even by pure plagiarism. it is not about who is closer to the truth but who lives the truth. the greatest Man or lets say the God who walked on earth couldnt be buried on Friday evening. how dare ellen let her husband be buried on Saturday afternoon. this is phareesism of the highest order. i have no words for they who say that ellen brought people to Christ. she is not even a prophetess and if so a prophet of doom. SDA’s will never grow spiritually if they rely on her books which dont point to the Lord but plagiarize and twist the truth. I didnt have to blog to see the masonic words on ellen’s books but by God opening my eyes. People of God dont be deceived but pray and fast, for htis are perilous times.


  28. Actually, she did not. The phrase “eye of providence” is not found in her published writings. You can search for yourself at http://www.whiteestate.org/search/search.asp


  29. Hello Friends,

    The last comment about the “eye of providence” is a poor excuse for rejecting Ellen White as God’s messenger. She does use the “The all-seeing eye of Jehovah” TV 3p. 416; “the all seeing eye” also used by pagans for centuries. Remember: The Devil, takes the truth of God and uses it in his deceptions so it is no reason to deny Ellen White. The Scripture plainly says;Ezra 5:5 “But the eye of their God..” and Deuteronom 11:12 “the eyes of the LORD thy God [are] always upon it…” shall we then deny Scripture ? I pray you will not Br.or Sister ? Mageto

    In His Love,

    rich


  30. It’s very sad to see people torn apart by the actions and writings of Mrs. Ellen G. White.

    In response to all this I would like to council everyone to take note for themselves and compare the Word of God to determine the truth. do not take any man’s word for the truth but research for yourselves.

    1). Isaiah 8:20 – “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

    2). Matthew 7:15-20 –
    15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Now, go and study the word of God and compare them to the life and writings of Mrs. Ellen G. White and compare them to see if the violate the word of God. If her words violate the words of God then there is no light in her but if they do not then you should listen to what she has to say.

    Most of those who claim Ellen to be a false prophet have never studied her lifestyle and teaching. For if they did they would see that she gave no glory to herself but points all to worship God the creator and to study his word for themselves.

    It would also appear that some of the critics themselves do not believe in the bible, or all of it:

    http://www.ellenwhite.info/dirk_anderson_on_the_bible.htm

    A few more questions:
    What fruitful examples do these critics have to testify?
    Do they believe in the Word of God?
    If you were to follow these critics, where would you go?
    Where will they lead you?
    Which church will you follow?
    Will you form your own church? Or maybe start your own ministry? Is it God’s plan for His people that they should be unorganized?


  31. The word Divine Providence is used by Masons. Ellen W. had knowledge that an omniscient eye is the devil: she says of an incident where a spiritual man is trailed by the omniscient eye in the Grt.Controvery. How can we be sure the eye of God in Ezra 5.5 and other Bible verses is the “Eye” of God used by Elen W esp. in the S2Christ. Ellen also claims that an angel told her to flash a masonic symbol to a fellow founder of Adventism. I find that very absurd if not satanic. In her vision to the little Remnant in 1849, she says that Jesus comes during midnight. However as Paul said that in His second coming, all the elements will melt & flee, and Luke; that as lightning flashes from one part of the sky to the other so shall He appear. Even I believe the sun rays will cringe at His glory. In tha same vision she says that besides Christ’s great illumination and splendour, shines strongly a star- the ’sun’!! Where the hell does the sun come in the middle of the dark night? Furthermore, why should the sun dare shine at the presence of the returning King, its Creator? Isn’t this sun worship? Or the ‘Lord coming from the East’where sun’s rays travel before they reach us? Or where Constatine told his Legion of soldiers to face every morning?
    People accuse E.G.W of plagiarising other works, but I boldly say, she plagiarised the Bible. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the truths of the Scriptures to us. Torn Bibles have brought hope to people. I need not write events of the Bible that contradict the Scriptures themselves let alone paraphrase Genesis to Revelation. Adventists find it hard to understand Bible truths without E.G.W, I dont know why???. From Pat.&Prop. to Daniel& Revelations= Ellen’s holy writ which they if not sell in chapters-, sell in whole books instead of opening the Scriptures to one and sharing the wonderful words. I trust none except the Godhead and the Scriptures. One should know that some of Ellen’s books were more expensive than a Bible. Am a critic because I once talked like the likes of Raymond, J.S. Franklin and A. Mesa. I confess I set aside the Bible for 3 mnths to study no other literature except those of E.White. I snarled at carnivores, though am still vegetarian and went to tears if anyone spoke ill of Ellen, but when I saw what Christianity entails I decided to put E. W work aside, read and confirm from the Scriptures first.
    The disciples never began new ministries but were to fulfill the one that Christ began with the prophets and continues with us today. God bless you all.


  32. A friend of mine found out about Ellen and was more devastated than I am. I always was against the thought/doctrine of other worlds. I think that doctrine is about or originated from theosophy or somwhere not from the Biblical domain.
    I wonder why Adventist claim that the earth was the last creation when the Bible says the earth was there before the sun was made. Somebody inform me becoz have neva read it from the Bible.


  33. I have been a tour guide,conducting tours of the Historical sites her in Battle Creek Michigan, for more than twenty five years.I have taken thousands of
    of our people to Oak Hill Cemetary.My wife’s parents, and many other Saints now sleeping, That I have interviewed.who attended the funeral. Would be astonished to learn, some one believes the coffen they saw lowered into the grave was empty.Oak Hill Cemetery has very accurate records,They state She was buried July 24.The nonsense of keeping her body in a vault,is just that.It was common practice in those days,here in the northern states.To have a
    storage room for storing bodys when the ground was frozen. and digging graves with pick and shovel was next to impossible.Then in the spring when the ground thawed the bodys were buried.This structure was usually partially under ground,much cooler in the summer months,and warmer in winter.embalming in
    those days were primitive.After arriving by train from California,the body was stored in this structure untill the day if the funeral.If the statments attributed to Elder Fagle are true.He should have been more shure of His facts,that they would be used against the Church.


  34. I wish to update my comments on Sept 19.This is a perfect example of how conspiracy theories start .I am reading from the Review & Herald dated July 29 and August 5 1915 .F. M. Wilcox Editor.Article titled “The funeral Services of Mrs Ellen G White” Every detail of this service is recorded.It records a funeral procession of more than one hundred automobiles and horse drawn carriages.No less than nine street cars were chartered for the occasion.and many finding no room walked. Every detail of the grave site services are described,included are photographs of the scene,with floral arrangements in the back ground.(Let all note) “Hundreds gathered around the open grave with bowed head and sorrow-filled hearts ,as the remains of our dear sister were tenderly and silently lowered into the grave to rest beside the body of Her husband.” then a full size photograph shows the grave site.The floral arrangements have been rearranged and shows the ( NOW FILLED GRAVE) covered with flowers.No mention is made in this article,of the estimate of the
    number of those present to witness this scene.But in the local paper and by all present .there were more than fifteen hundred witnesses that observed Her lowered into that grave .


  35. I can understand why devotees of Ellen White would greatly dislike the factual information about Ellen White’s 33-day delayed burial. Indeed, there was an initial fake burial according to the White Estate. Moreover, Arthur White was a skeptic of this information until he finally read a letter written to Willy White by his brother about the delayed interment. The younger brother reported to Willy that he even opened the coffin and viewed the body of his mother after 33 days. These are NOT fabrications from so-called “hate” ministries. Clearly, Ellen White was highly controversial during her lifetime and even in her death.

    Dennis J. Fischer
    E-mail: dennisfischer@neb.rr.com


  36. Even Professor Bachiochi, the undisputed authority on Sabbath was burried on Saturday. It is unfortunate that in Kenya the union has now outlawed funerals on Sunday not Saturday, because it might require preparation on Sabbath. So as for this Union you have to burry either on Weekdays or no church official is allowed to officiate on Sunday and you might be baned from holy communion.


  37. >If White’s interment did not actually take place until August 26, what were the reasons?

    Takes time for the train to travel from Elmshaven, CA to Battle Creek, MI.


  38. So much for R.I.P. I’m glad the dead know nothing; how could Ellen sleep if she knew what was going on after all these years? Did Ellen carve and set her own grave marker? Let’s follow her example and seek and save the lost, and let’s let God judge the quick and the dead.
    Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water, nor throw the bath water into each others face, or we may just be offending the Father: so be careful my dear brothers, which ever side of the fence you sit.

    In conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man; and the practice of dear sister White. May she continue to rest in peace.

    And oh yeah! I’m gonna carve my own grave marker and save all the hassle when I’m gone.


  39. Although ELLEN WHITE died long time ago, I believe was the messanger of GOD. Although is not with us, her books is still saying with us and this is to say, she is still talking with us. Her books have changed my life. I thank God always to still talking with me.


  40. Hey friends and fellow travelers in this lives journey. I’m sad that this discussion had to take place. But, I like to say:
    1. First of all, lets not forget that we are living on the battle grown of the most foresees war that was ever fought – the war between good and evil – and sad to say most of the soldiers – from both sides – are invisible to us; and because of that fact most of the times we are oblivious to this reality. Enemy of God and man constantly wants to deceive us. So, be careful my friends.

    2.I believe that we are all guilty to some extent – some more and some less – of putting Ellen G. White on the pedestal where no human has right to be. We took everything that she ever said and wrote as inspired. But, that was not the case with any other author of the Bible, how can it be anything else with her?

    3. All the prophets are humans just as you and I are and their understanding of Gods Word, of life itself, and the politics of their times are no better or worst then all of ours, EXCEPT what and when God has shown them something in vision, dream or by His own voice; And that has to be taken in the context of the whole Bible, not just one vision or dram…
    4. In 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 God said: “Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” YES, that applies to the Ellen G. White too.In doing this don’t forget that the Word of God is ‘the light that shines (more and more) until the day downs and day stare arises…’ 2 Pet. 1:19

    Pray without ceasing and God bless you.



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